Benefit Sanctions are unlawful, cruel, unjust punishments on the poor
Welcome to the Unlawful Sanctions website! This website is dedicated to exposing the unlawful, unfair, cruel and criminally unjust financial punishments on our societys poorest people. Whats more, criminals convicted of benefit fraud are sometimes "punished" by applying the same length sanctions to their current benefit claim (instead of jail) that Joe Bloggs, the typical genuine jobseeker is receiving for arriving late to sign on because the bus was late!
Added 04/2011:The Guardian, Unlawful Sanctions and PCS have received evidence about Jobcentre Plus offices setting targets and unfairly forcing sanctions on the disabled, those who speak English as a second language and by race. This violates the Equality Act 2010. Jobcentre Plus denied this before admitting to it. They have attempted to justify it as a “misunderstanding” and has ensured people that it has been resolved.
Why we care
The aims of Unlawful Sanctions
Unlawful Sanctions is a campaign against the unlawful benefit sanctions claimants receive.
We want to:
- Directly challenge the Government regarding these benefit sanctions
- Make sure benefit fraudsters are jailed or denied benefits instead of imposing pathetic benefit sanctions
- Abolish the unlawful benefit sanctions
So, you were made redundant, lost your job or left your job by other means or left university or other education but couldn’t secure a job … whatever your reason for being a jobseeker, regardless of the message the Government puts out about such people, Jobseekers Allowance is a very low benefit to scrape by while you look for employment. You can’t live on it comfortably in rip off Britain!
The Jobseekers Act 1995 which came into power in 1996 (making it 14 years old) outlawed the something-for-nothing benefit culture. Everytime a jobseeker signs on he or she must specify evidence showing that he or she has attempted to seek work. Jobseekers are obligated to register for any "training" to better their job prospects. Jobseekers are even forced to apply for selected jobs issued by an Employment Officer (EO) in the form of a Jobseekers Direction (JSD).
Jobseekers do not have the ability to free choice of labour – if submitted to a job they are expected to take it – regardless if they have a decent enough reason not to. Jobseekers are also required to attend specific dates as requested in writing to a depressing building called Jobcentre Plus. You can’t be a few minutes late but you could be waiting up to an hour to sign on without even an apology.
So lets get rid of any thought that jobseekers are people happy to live off the "dole" – its way below the poverty line and there are only a handful of people who are happy to remain on the dole. These have the common pattern of going through generations via the same families. This is a corruption in DWP and Jobcentre Plus as although the Jobseekers Act 1995 was designed to outlaw this and prevent people claiming who are not "Actively Seeking Employment" (ASE) for some reason these people rarely have any problems with their benefit claims.
Social Security: a right!
Some people may disagree but Social Security has long been an human right. This doesn’t mean a something-for-nothing culture or that people should be able to claim forever.
As far as Jobseekers Allowance goes, this human right has been layered with a conditional criteria to be able to claim. Again it is a human right, everyone has the ability to make an application for Jobseekers Allowance without restriction (whether its denied is another thing though). Even those caught fiddling the system and had been jailed for benefit fraud is freely able to reclaim after prison (how wrong is that?!)
The concern with the unlawful benefit sanctions is it is a loophole around the human right of social security. When you are sanctioned your claim for Social Security doesn’t end – you just don’t get paid. Your Jobseekers Allowance claim is still active and you are still requested to sign on. To most people like me and you can clearly see and understand that it is the point of benefit: to bring in money when you have none. The second aspect is, all offences resulting in a sanction are applied to your future claim thus again you are not denied Social Security (in the present anyway).
If Jobcentre Plus terminated your benefit claim and banned you from claiming for a set period – this would be against Human Rights (including Human Rights Act 1998 and the European ECHR).
It has not been tried that:
a) stopping a payment for a benefit is as good as terminating your benefit claim
b) preventing payment of a benefit for a set period is no different than banning someone from claiming for a set period
We want to take this argument to court – because it is a scam. If it was a business it would have been closed down but because its the public sector not private sector it seems to have been got away with. Its not the Government who loses, its you the taxpayer always!
A poor "jobseeker" isn’t a jobseeker
Just remember: if a person has no income its almost impossible for them to apply for jobs. This delay into finding employment cost the taxpayer much more than if they were claiming for a shorter period. The longer someone is unemployed the less likely they will secure sustainable employment.
Sanctions are unlawful under the Jobseekers Act 1995
Yes, it is true. The Jobseekers Act 1995 clearly states that Jobseekers Allowance (Contribution based or Income based) is paid in a benefit week. So common sense here: if a person commits a sanctionable offence in one week, how can he lose 2 (or more) weeks benefit? Whether or not the person loses out on that specific week or a future week of an ongoing claim is neither here or there – or so it could be argued.
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Hi there, I have just read your note above and I feel very sorry for you.
There are a few things you MUST know NOW>>>>>>>
If you are sanctioned then you still recieve housing benifit and council tax benifit ONLY IF YOU SIGN ON. So even if you are sanctioned then please still sign on. Its a myth that your benifits stop on a sanction ( only the payments in your bank stop ) So you are still claiming JSA on a sanction !!!!!BUT YOU MUST CONTINUE SIGNING ON.
this is not fair – They say vulnerable groups are eligble for hardship payments ?, but every jobseeker is vulnerable. Because your 24 and live alone then you are going to have a tough time !!, you wont get hardship payments im afraid !!! this is not fair.
I would not reccomend becoming a criminal NEVER !!, But in these conditions I think you would be excused !!!. Please dont get me wrong and im not trying to encourage you to steel from Jim ect…, But what choice do you have ?? Unless you have a family member that can help ??, they leave us totaly helpless dont they ?, no-matter how hard you try and think of solutions, There just isnt an easy one or legal one !. This country is getting so bad now ! and david cameron should stand down for being wreckless. These new mandatory work scheme are unlawful and slave labour. I wish I could help you myself . Try and get a crisis loan for now, And maybe steel a bike? This is not funny its deadly serious. You will slave yourself into the ground – get sanctioned – have no money for food !!!!!!!!!!!! But your forced to go along with the jobcentres instructions. One day they will pay. I hope they all lose there jobs, houses and cars and go bankrupt and live of the streets. They are creating a lot of people like me who myself are starting to hate ! And if there are more angry haters out there , very soon cameron will be right in the sh*t knee deep and we will kick him when hes finaly down.
Why the hell are they picking on people with mental health issues ? Of all the people ? They are choosing easy targets why???? Because the Jobseeker Advisors are all sad, Dipsh*t, Mother-F*ckers Evil-C*nts and we need to stick together and take them down one by one. They are trying to make there jobs easier by picking on us ?, Lets make there jobs hell by Picking on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Make written complaints about any advisor you see and send these complaints to there manager. and whatever you can do to make them feel like worthless TW*TS . Justice shall be served even if we have to DO IT OURSELVES !! ……..WE F*CKING WILL !!!!!!!!!!!
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AMEN TO THAT JOHN!. AMEN.
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Yes
A nice chunk of hate from me too . I like your enthusiasm and nice choice of swearwords to describe those worthless advisors 
Slap them !
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Justice and rights are now the most talked about as a category of every day events, so obviously this Government are leading theirselves in to disaster, ha. Thats good news to me, it means all of us that are experiencing how hard life has become since the Tories grabbed power, we’re now due pay back, we are far from kickin any sad t**t out of power at the moment but patience.. all will be revealed in due time, with a BANG of “ha now what? D Cameron.”.
Something came to my attention whilst watching the latest about the public sector strike, excuse me for noticing but am I right learning that people have to take a day off work when the strike is on, to look after their children, or people have to pay their childminders still but will have to take the day off to look after their children?. Errmmm
Ohh efin dear!, sorry but have I got to feel sorry for those people? DONT tHiNk so, theyre really in shit lol, got to take a day off work to look after their children!! lol! Well what about us lot with SANCTION notices? Hard coping to buy food, elec, gas, going to the job centre and going to the “waste of time” interviews 30 miles away from home, least of all staying at home ANYWAY because us parents HAVE to look after our children, as theres NO available childcare if your child is older than TEN, grrr. I dont even think the need to moan about “having to take some day off work to look after my child” because of some strike thing, why? coz I am a MUM and I am looking after my child 24/7. I will always, til I feel and know its right to start work, with ease of mind- when my child is old enough to face adult responsibilities, round about the age of 15-16.
The very most and last to be said is.. SCHOOL HOLIDAYS!! lol
People have moaned about having to take the day off work to look after their child, well whats the difference in a day off work and the summer efin holidays when schools shut for 6 or 7 weeks?!! Whilst us lot are fighting battles to get work, childminders, etc.. theyre moaning about a petty day off work.
People are striking over pensions, yet all you’ll see is stuck up parents about “having to take the day off work” lol
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HALLO AGAIN GUYS back as promised
Following on from my previous posts 57,58,59,62 (might be good to read them)
i went into my local jobcentre on Monday the 13th and spoke to my jobcentre staff, I’ll keep it short so:
1,I was sanctioned for 6 months because my jobcentre had not received my response back on the 8th ( hardly surprising as i was asked to send it off to a PO BOX in Sunderland ) ( luckily i sent it recorded and had a receipt )
2, the staff were both confused because their own systems were saying I had applied for the job and also as to why Sunderland should get the response and not them
3, at no point have I received any conformation of being sanctioned and more importantly neither has my housing benefit office (that apparently happens automatically)
4, they were pretty sure I would get it overturned and sent off another review form.
On the 16th i then received a second job doubt which was issued on the 13th
regarding a different job opportunity??
I handed in this response letter to the second job doubt on the 17th
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Dear sir/Madam,
Firstly I did not fail to take advantage of this job opportunity nor did I refuse it!
Upon receiving the job opportunity and returning home I rang Jackie Atkinson at Felling jobcentre plus on 01914516848
Firstly at 12.22 but she was out at lunch and then at 14.15 where upon she made a note of my details and promised to send me out an application form (please view the phone call details copied and pasted from my online orange mobile phone bill as evidence listed below)
15/04/11 Fri
12:22 01914516848 South Tyneside Code Area talk UnLim y 0:00:15 0.000
14:15 01914516848 South Tyneside Code Area talk UnLim y 0:04:11 0.000
A few days later I received the company application form sent to me by Jackie Atkinson, I filled it in and sent it back to the company address which was on the application form and made a note of the address and phone number on the form for a follow up phone call at a later date, which I then rang on the 05/05/11 to enquire as to the progress of my application.
(Please view the phone call details copied and pasted from my online orange mobile phone bill as evidence listed below)
05/05/11 Thu
16:18 01914554444 South Shields Code Area talk UnLim y 0:02:27 0.000
I also Presented this job opportunity as 1 of my job searches to you on the 13th of May (29th of April was the royal wedding) and it is recorded on your system.
I have heard nothing back from this job opportunity other than the vacancy was closed.
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On the 24th I then went in to sign on and was told:
1, that the first job doubt with the 6 month sanction had been overturned but that I now had a second 1 month sanction because of the second job doubt.
2, i then asked to speak to one of the members of staff who deal with reviews to find out what was going on
3, He could sadly tell me nothing as there was no information regarding the second sanction on the system
4, regarding the first sanction there was also no information as to what had happened and as far as he could see no letters had been sent out during the whole sanction process to inform me of what was happening, he did however send off an email asking them to input the information correctly so that I would get my money on Wednesday apparently the sanction was not lifted correctly.
5, he also made an appointment for me to come back on Monday the 27th so that i could challenge the second decision
THE 27TH
To make this short after an interesting conversation they told me the reason the 1 month sanction had been applied was because i had not sent the application form back to felling jobcentre ( ridiculous as the company application form strictly said please return to the company address and not felling jobcentre )
He also fired off another email regarding the incorrect input of the data regarding my first sanction which was stopping my payment coming through.
ON THE 29TH
I handed in this response to the second doubt (jobcentre staff were in a meeting and I could not find out if I would get my money or not)
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Dear sir/Madam,
It is apparently clear that your general policy is not to take any notice of responses from people you sanction and only to look at the evidence when it goes to review.
Taking this into consideration I have attached a copy of my former response which outlines and answers your query regarding the possible missed job opportunity that you think I might not have taken.
Further to this let me state that as you have not provided me with any information regarding your doubt to which I am legally entitled, I hereby supply the following information again:
1, I contacted Jackie Atkinson on the very same day that this job opportunity was handed to me.
2, I have copied and pasted the proof of my phone calls from my orange phone bill into the previous message.
3, upon receiving the company application form from Jackie, I filled it in, and sent it to the supplied forwarding address which was on the company application form supplied to me from Jackie.
4. The application form specifically asked me to return the form to
J Banbour & sons ltd, simonside, South Shields, NE34 9PD.
5, your own system is saying that I applied for this job (recorded on the 13th of May)
6, I have since been in contact with this company after doing my follow up phone call on the 15/04 (phone call also copied and pasted from my phone bill)
I would also like to make a personal note here and have this on record
In the last five weeks you have called my job search into question on 2 occasions this being the second!
The first one although it being overturned is perhaps systematic of the illegality of your actions and contempt for your very own rules and regulations.
1, at no point in the 5 weeks have I received any information saying I had been sanctioned or even that the sanction had been overturned.
2, I was sanctioned even though I had replied in time and with all the information necessary because for some strange reason I was asked to reply to a P O Box in Sunderland (luckily I sent it recorded delivery) and the reply was supposed to go to Byker jobcentre ! (According to your staff)
3, even now I will not receive any money regarding this sanction because in the 2 weeks since the decision has been overturned the information has still not been correctly put onto the system despite 2 emails sent by your staff asking for the information to be correctly input.
4, on the very next day after I asked for this decision to be reviewed you sent out another doubt to me, I can only think this is because there was such overwhelming evidence available that I had applied for the vacancy that you decided to try a second doubt inquiry (this being the second doubt inquiry am I referring to now).
5, I base my number 4 statement above on the information supplied to me by the cab who after hearing of one of the questions asked by you in the first job doubt query (please provide 3 months of job activity) commented:
(This is happening more often whereby you send out a doubt query, ask for a 3 month supply of job search activity and then proceed to send out more queries in a concerted campaign of victimization and harassment)
6, where is my letters stating that I have been sanctioned and what your reasons for sanctioning me were and are?
7, at no point in the last 5 weeks dealing with either of your job doubt query’s have I received any letters stating that I had been sanctioned or that the first sanction had been overturned.
I therefore kindly ask you to start treating me fairly and with respect rather than causing me undue suffering and stress by not adhering to your own rules and legal obligations.
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After handing in this response I went home and rang the jobcentre up
1, apparently the 6 month ban is definitely gone and the problem solved (I should get my 2 week payment tomorrow)
2, the guy on the phone was completely confused because in his 2 years of working for jobcentre plus he had never seen 2 sanctions being put on the computer for the same period of time lol
3, I still have the 1 month sanction from the second doubt
SO FAR SO GOOD
I SHOULD KNOW NEXT WEEK WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SECOND SANCTION AND I’LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW
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I don’t know if this info is helping anyone but so far this experience has taught me:
1, the job centre staff have no say or opinion they literally told me this! They only tick boxes and are not allowed to think, use common sense or their own judgement.
2, I personally believe that as soon as you get a letter asking regarding a doubt that it will always result in a sanction regardless of what you say or write.
3, only the reviewer can make a decision and I feel they do this based on whether they think they would win in the tribunal not whether they believe you have done what you have said you have done or not( they don’t want too many decisions going against themselves in the tribunal).
4, as long as you have ALWAYS applied for the jobs they offer you, you should fight it all the way and not take any sanction, regardless of anything else as long as you have ALWAYS applied for the job I get the feeling you will always win in the end, you just have to make sure you ALWAYS apply for every job.
5, never fill in their job doubt letter but instead type up your full response on a blank piece of paper with your name, ni number, ref number if any in the top right corner, think it through carefully what you write and be clear and precise, sign and date it at the bottom and then hand it in with the letter they sent you, but do not SIGN THE LETTER ITSELF your letter/ affidavit is more than enough.
6, I repeat even when asked do not sign there letter as you have already signed your own!!
(I had an interesting 5 minute back and forth conversation with one of them about this. Ending with me saying make me!!
7, don’t get emotional it won’t help you in anyway
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Sanctions are going through a legal battle right now. Very very shortly Sanctions will be illegal. Hang in there as we all know its immoral and its not untill your on the recieving end that you realize what surviving means !!. David cameron is the biggest joke of the millenium !!. Get gordon brown back !!! ( I was never too keen on brown at first but compared to cameron he is an Angel
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Everyone including myself are getting put on the governments so called Work Programme.Its not our fault there are no decent jobs with more jobs to be cut,its not as if people don’t try,they do but this government airs views that people are workshy,some are but the majority arn’t.Is the sanctions imposed if you refuse even legal,are the unemployment figures fiddled, with not including everyone on this programme in their figures ?.I feel the process is illegal and against peoples human rights.
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July 2011
To “Unlawfulsanctions”
Consider yourself well noticed, as I can admit Ive been reading your comments over some time now, I once tried contacting your web address but found no responce and still waiting, which brings my conclusion you may be some other means of authority.
Nothing ill said here, but a few questions I would ask such as: how do you know so much? what achievements have you gained accessing everyones views here?
K
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my advice is dont argue with jcp over a “seleced” job and say yes and also apply for the job
what i used to do was date the letter the same day as the jcp told me to apply for it but posted it the next day second class in a post box which is only emptied once a day this ensures that the letter may arrive after the closing date which if jcp check will be told yes we got a letter of application from this person the employer doesnt need to say any more than this even if the letter arrived after a closing date the jcp cant prove otherwise especially if the letter is dated the day they told you to apply for it and the envelope will most likely have been destroyed so no postmark evidence.
doing the above keeps the jcp happy but also ensures that the “selected” job especially if its not within your skills bracket even though the jcp think so you wont get the job
the jcp arent going to check when a letter was posted via royal mail as rm most likely wouldnt tell them anyway
my philosophy is i was born and brought up in cupar and have always worked in cupar and at the age of 53 am damned if am going to work in some crap bottom of the ladder job in glenrothes or st andrews if i work locally i will spend locally therefore helping the local economy not the economy of st andrews or glenrothes(the most depressing town in scotland i think) also st andrews and glenrothes have unemployed signing on so why dont the jcp in glenrothes and st andrews make unemployed there apply for these jobs? most likely they are being made to apply for jobs in cupar!
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To Donald
Absolutely true! if a postage stamp (print or Franked, bought and stuck on) is the only evidence of our actions when forwarding a letter to the opposite in concern, then at least its one way of some kind of back up, whether the JC are right or not we can prove something that way at least.
The rest you mention I dont understand sorry.
Chin up and just agree with them like you say, keeps the peace.
K
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Here are some useful videos of the New Deal staff acting to enrich the corporate at the expense of the British citizen :
Part I : http://lifeinthemix.podomatic.com/entry/2011-07-07T06_50_59-07_00
Part II : http://lifeinthemix.podomatic.com/entry/2011-07-07T06_16_00-07_00
Part II : http://lifeinthemix.podomatic.com/entry/2011-07-07T05_16_37-07_00
With Police : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RBsckpFhBA
Part II : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlraxJXt3o&feature=related
I presented a full case against the Jobcentre and DWP on June 21 2011, a case with serious constitutional connotations.
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FANTASTIC work “lifeinthemix”, proud of ya. As a strong believer in rights, all this pathetic crap the government have created has made life for us so difficult, its going to end the more we fight, you are highly respected and I am with you all the way on this campaigne.
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Hallo again guys
Ok following on from my previous posts 57,58,59,62,84,85.
On the 4th of July I then received a third letter from Sunderland dma
Now I am pretty sure that this is illegal and that they had to make a decision and give me the opportunity if they did not overturn it to go straight to the tribunal.
This was there question:
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1, please explain why you decided to send the application form directly to the employer, rather than return it to the jobcentre, as instructed.
Also included was this statement
confirmed to dma that the application form for j bourbour & sons issued ( to me ) on 15/4/11 did have the return address of jobcentre plus, Gateshead ne92 1an on it by a sticker over the company address.
This action was taken with 100% of app forms prior to being sent out to jobseekers.etc etc.
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I handed in this response on the 5th of July
Dear sir/Madam,
In reply to your question:
(Please explain why you decided to send the application form directly to the employer, rather than return it to the jobcentre, as instructed?)
Answer:
As already stated and written in my 2 previous responses:
I sent the company application form back to the employer because I was INSTRUCTED by the address at the top of the application form to do so!!
Further to this and upon reading the response from jobcentre plus in lindisfarne house.
1, There was NO LABEL/STICKER on the application form OVER THE COMPANY ADDRESS
2, this supposed action was not done prior to being sent out to jobseekers with 100% accuracy if it was done at all.
3, initially I was told that I was being sanctioned for not applying to this job opportunity at all? Obviously this story has now changed due to me having copied and pasted the phone conversation logs from my mobile phone bill onto my previous responses.
4, as previously stated I have been in contact with the employer since having sent back the company application form as I was INSTRUCTED by you, I will not go into this here as I fear the false justification for your sanction might change yet again!
5, this means that I did not miss out on this job opportunity.
It is my understanding that this letter you have sent me with this question is not in following with your own procedures.
It is my understanding that upon receipt of my last response that you should have made a decision to either uphold the sanction and allow this to go to the tribunal, or you should have changed your mind and overturned the previous decision.
It is therefore my understanding that you are acting illegally, please clarify if this is wrong!
It is therefore clear to me that I am being treated unfairly and will be notifying the cab again also my local mp nick brown,
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Today on the 8th I had to sign on and to my amazement the second sanction has also been overturned as of the 7th in short I now have no more sanctions and will receive my benefits
So a little victory after 6 weeks of bullshit
While there I enquired about the status of my SAR request and the manager passed on my number to the data protection officer,
The data protection officer rang me about 4pm and to be honest was very helpful, after a quick chat and confirming that she had sent out a request to Sunderland dma to release their data she helpfully mentioned that I might want to have ticked the boxes marked (labour market system) as well as the (jobseekers allowance box)
She has now done this for me and sent a request to Byker jobcentre as well for all information that they hold.
In case no one knows a SAR is a subject access request/ freedom of information request link:
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/privacy-policy/data-protection/
should be interesting to see what was on the system during my 6 week battle over the 2 sanctions
I am also still going to go to my meeting with Nick Brown MP tomorrow with copies of all their letters that they did send me and my responses and see what he has to say!
And subject to any interesting information revealed by the SAR I’ll consider playing silly buggers with them again.
but now it looks like i’ll have to join lifeinthemix with the next battle lol
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In response to lifeinthemix post 91
Well done mate I’m now in this battle with you and enjoyed your videos.
I did not touch on this during my previous posts as I was concentrating on the sanctions.
I was put forward for this work program insight appointment with Avanta on the 24th of June I immediately questioned the legality of it but after a short conversation and being told that this was mandatory I was put forward regardless, I made it clear that I would not sign anything and would not give permission to pass on my details to a third party.
Whereupon he said there was nothing to sign and that they would be contacting me within a week.
However he did try to get me to sign a new jobseekers agreement which included this new work program, I stuck to my guns and said that I cannot sign this!
To which he responded that I would then face sanctions as it is mandatory.
I then said that I would sign it but only under duress and signed it literally with (under duress) not my signature
He accepted it (nice guy) and wished me all the best.
I then received 2 phone calls from Avanta staff on 28th of June and 5th of July both times they asked me to confirm personal data and both times I refused as I always refuse to give personal information out over a mobile phone.
That being said I was given and attended a meeting on Thursday the 8th at 9am
1, Avanta is A4E there was no signage, paperwork or employee badges with Avanta on them anywhere to be seen however the letter I received previously confirming the appointment was from Avanta?
2, 4 of us sat down and each of us was given a folder with 15 various papers in it including:
Customer file checklist, welcome induction checklist, customer consent form, expenditure checklist, employment start declaration, change of circumstances, housekeeping and hazard spotting, 5 x information sheets, fire evacuation form, bomb alert form.
3, as the gentleman started to get people to start ticking boxes and signing papers he made the mistake of asking ( have we all ticked the first 3 boxes) to which I said “ you might want to talk to alone mate as I have serious issues with the legality of all this” straight away he said no problem and continued with the other people, when he was finished and had taken the others outside to await talks with their new advisers he closed the door and we had a 5 minute chat.
I explained that I was fighting 2 illegal sanctions and that I had not consented to them / Avanta having my information or consented to participate in any program by a third party.
I explained that I had no idea about their company or the program but due to my 6 weeks of hell I felt that this was just another punishment that I was being subjected to and on that basis I was just not in the mood to sign away my civil liberties.
Also due to the fact that I was being asked to sign a customer consent form I had serious doubts that this was really mandatory.
He was pretty understanding and said that’s fine and that he completely understood (even thanked me for not creating a fuss and seeking a one on one) and suggested that I talk to the advisor and then decide what to do.
10 minutes later I sat down with the advisor and explained everything from beginning to end.
The illegal sanctions, that I had not consented to my information being given to them without my consent, that I was in the process of speaking to my mp regarding all this, my serious doubt that this was mandatory.
To cut a long story short:
He made an appointment for me later on in 2 weeks time, no information was added to their system( apart from what the jobcentre plus had already given them) and I had nothing to sign, I still have the complete folder with all the paperwork and a kind of gentleman’s agreement to keep him informed of any progress in my situation.
After seeing your video’s lifeinthemix I feel almost guilty by having found or been lucky enough to get an easy ride on this issue so far but no doubt that will change soon enough lol
Keep us posted as I will be following in your footsteps mate and keep up the fight
You might consider emailing John.domokos@guardian.co.uk the guardian reporter his email is in post 50
I have been talking to him since the beginning of my little learning curve here.
And I get the feeling he might be very interested in your recordings and experience
Sincerely Martin
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lol gud luck with the fight guys. Keep strong, provide proof, make more web sites, write snotty letters, moan loads to newspaper(s) AND dont get Confused.com lol.
take care
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K
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NATIONAL DAY OF PROTEST AUGUST 27TH.
BE THERE AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
FROM 7AM TILL 8PM FEEL FREE TO COME ALONG EVEN IF ITS JUST FOR 1 HOUR.
MANDATORY WORK ACTIVITY = NAZI GERMAN SLAVERY
1.YOU CAN STAND OUTSIDE ‘ANY JOBCENTRE’ AND DOESNT HAVE TO BE THE ONE YOU ATTEND.
2.TURN UP ANYTIME FOR SUPPORT OR BRING A BANNER/SIGN
3.FOR THE SAKE OF OUR HUMAN RIGHTS WE MUST DO THIS.
Remember – Soon you may lose your job ! and the person replacing you may be a MWA Slave !!! They will work for free for the dwp and eventually take over all jobs- UNPAID and REAL ‘PAID’ work will be NO MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!
27th august outside any Jobcentres from 7am.
let your opinion be heard.
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Im still gathering a list of people attending the strike on 26th aughust 2011.
If any readers on this website would like to attend the instructions are very simple :
Turn up to any jobcentre with a banner/sign/t-shirt ANYTIME in that day. Thats it !
I have over 380 first names on my list to attend local jobcentres accross uk at the moment, and its been rapidly increasing daily. Thankyou to everyone who going to be taking part.
Its mostly over 25s, and will be a peacefull protest. Please turn up for at least 30 mins if you can, The more people turn up – the more impact we will make.
FRIDAY 26-08-11 .
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NO the strike is on 26th august !!!!!!!!, Sorry I mean PROTEST.
friday 26th august the other website says !!
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PROTEST 26TH AUGUST, OUTSIDE ANY JOBCENTRE FROM 7AM. BRING BANNERS/T-SHIRTS AND BRING FAMILY/FREINDS.
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I’LL BE THERE !!
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been seven years being unemployed,am not ill,disabled,mental or stupid,but today i nearly went all out and said what i need to say about the jobcentre to the staff and the manager!!!! i said that i’d done everything they asked me and now they were sending me to another course because they said it was manditory i’d had much trouble with the courses and jobcentre,i’ve been nearly knocked over(btcv)police did nothing,racially abused at a4e(seetec) and many other things ALL BECAUSE I’VE DONE WHAT THEY ASKED ME TO DO!!!i’ve got seven years of letters and replysi’ve kept and now i feel ill with it all seen citzen advice not much help,told me it goes on everywhere….i’ve tape my last interview and you can see how they talk to me and how they treat me,i’ve complianed 5-6 time 4 of the compliant were lost and 2 never really got delt with and the scantioned me for no reason the after a month said it was a mistake and they shrugged it off!!! am now really angry and starting to feel as though i should lash out!!! they laugh and stair and am there in the jobcentre when most people are not there(no witnesses)i now DONT TRUST THE POLICE and have lost faith in the system and others….i have evidence and right now am trying to upload the interview on you tube!!!! DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!SWEARWORDS COME TO MIND!!!
THANKS FOR READING! HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP!!! please no jobcentre staff or course workers evil @@sterds!!!
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Would you be happy to email everything over (excluding personal details)?
I understand it will be very time consuming.
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